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Photography Today, Is It Killing Off the Dinosaurs? Part 2
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Photography? No, really, we do talk about it eventually! As usual, the guys take the long way around to getting on topic as we have our usual discussion about what we’re drinking, why Rick will eventually play all seven dwarfs, whether Rob or Tony has the larger breasts and, well, you know by now…
Oh, and thanks to Mr. Sadie Breeze for preventing brain damage.
Photography, Dinosaurs, and When You Won’t Change
After the last episode’s emotional tirade about whether or not the photography industry still needs a traditional sales force, things come down in this second part. Instead, we talk about whether the film shooters and even the dSLR users today are being left behind by the advances of technology. Is there still a place for traditional print portraits? Is there still room for the fine artists? How about the RAW vs JPG argument: is that argument going to be irrelevant in the near future? And what about those guys who insist on only selling prints and not providing CDs? That’s an issue we need to deal with.
Let’s face it, photography is indeed changing and, as much as we want to believe differently, we don’t have the actual answers about what will still be viable five years from now. But one thing is clear – if you’re not going to be a visionary in photography then you’ll end up a dinosaur and, historically, we now how that ends.
Artists of the Fortnight
Tony points us toward the amazing photography of Dennis Hopper. Sadly, Dennis is no longer with us but his work in photography remains with us. Rob believes that actors often make great photographers because they live their lives being creative. Regardless of why, Hopper himself has a body of work that is poignant and strong. Anybody who wants to get into the fine art side of portrait photography would do well to take a good long look at Dennis Hopper’s work.
For our artist, we look at the well-known Rembrandt. If there was ever a true Renaissance Man, Rembrandt was it. Schooled in math, science, art, literature and history, Rembrandt used that learning to develop a style of portraiture known for its sharpness and, of course, it’s lighting.
Don’t forget – Our Photography Book Review
Head on over to www.PolarizingImages.com now and take part in our book discussion, The Art of Photography!
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Also tagged Business, change, Clients, Dennis Hopper, dinosaurs, editing, Fine Art, Future, History, hybrid photography, inspiration, Meetup, obsolete, Photography, Photoshop, Podcasting, post production, Rembrandt
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Selling Photography – Photography Today Is Killing Off the Dinosaurs
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You want disagreement and yelling? Today we look at the people who are in the business of selling photography and are dragging their feet when it comes to change. But don’t worry, it’s a self-correcting problem.
We start off right on target until Tony asks a seemingly innocent question – does a store really need a traditional, trained sales staff? Then shit gets serious and we think Rick may have started crying. He didn’t: turns out he was just speaking into a muted mic. But before we get onto the topic about selling photography, we need to bitch and moan about why Australia just wants to fuck with you and how a shark got it right in the 1960′s. Tony also thinks a sting ray got one right a few years ago. Too soon, Tony, too soon.
Selling Photography – Do We Even Need To?
We actually intended this to be more photography-related than it ended up being, but the reason for this topic is because a large and well-established camera store in Chicago is closing its doors and the guys think it was their inability – or unwillingness – to adapt to the photography industry today. It certainly wasn’t the skill level or experience of their staff as that has always been top-notch. But the store died the death of a thousand cuts. An online presence that was virtually non-existent, major retailer for Nikon and Canon but where were the other manufacturers, a lack of related tools (no audio gear, very little video support, no computers or software…)

Winston Churchill by Yousef Karsh
So what is more important when selling photography: a sales team or an educational team? Tony vehemently argues for the education, Rick passionately defends sales staff with photography experience, and Rob finds himself leaning toward Camp Tony where he’d usually be the first to call bullshit!
What are your thoughts? Does selling photography today require sales staff or educators? Leave us a comment on the site, call in your thoughts, or Tweet your reaction.
Our Fortnight Artists
We even manage to have a heated argument about our photographer, Yousef Karsh. You may not know his name, but you sure as hell know his work. Famous for his portrait of Churchill (seen here), he shot a lot of historically famous and significant people – many of those shots are still the iconic image for those people.But really, who amongst us today can have such access to famous, important, and polar opposite figures? Probably no one. Maybe an era really is over.
We don’t have “an” artist today. Rather, Tony introduces us to an artists’ collective, Papunya Tula (go ahead, sing their name to Hakuna Matata, you know you want to). This is a group of Aboriginal artists whose art is as much a form of communication as it is visual beauty. Their work reminds Rob of the folding lines found in Origami.
Oh yeah, Welcome you ignorant masses!
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Also tagged Business, change, Chicago, Comfort Levels, dinosaurs, Fine Art, Future, History, hybrid photography, obsolete, Papunya Tula, Photography, selling photography, Social Media, Yousef Karsh
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And We’re Live! Episode 28
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After months and months of talking about it, we finally got together with a bunch of listeners (and members of our CDP group) for an afternoon of shooting and an evening of eating, drinking, and recording. Thanks for coming, everyone!
We ended up recording at the studio with a special guest who we’ve been wanting to get on the show for a long time: Ivan! The four of us got together and tried to have a relatively cohesive discussion about the role of social media and networking for photographers. Warning, if you’re looking for a sober and in-depth conversation, we do have it but you’ll have to wade through some drunken rambling. But wait, you should be used to that by now.
Social media and photography: Good, bad, or otherwise?
Like it? But I Don’t Like It!
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Finally, Tony and Rob disagree on a topic. And we like it!

Like or Dislike?
Are you one of those people that hits “Like” on a regular basis? Actually, it doesn’t matter if the button says “Like” or subscribe or list or add or… could you possibly be contributing to the dilution of photography’s impact? In today’s topic Tony, Rick, and Rob talk about the Like button and how we see it as being a problem for photography.
The questions we (try) to cover today are:
- Are people just hitting the like button with out thinking?
- How does this impact photographers?
- Has it killed personal tastes?
- How do we stop from falling into the trap of just hitting the like button?
- Are there any upsides to this?
- Is there anyway/need to solve the problems it causes?
- Is it possible that, when we require standards, we can make art less accessible? Art needs to be accessible but where is the line between being available and just being inundated with 500 crappy pictures of a person’s vacation?
We get on a pretty good bent about whether we need to have people adhere to standards, should we go to smaller, more personal communities, or even look back about 10 years on the internet when Web Rings were all the rage? The one thing that becomes clear in this episode is that we don’t have an answer (just a bunch of opinions).
Please leave a comment on the post to let us know if you agree or disagree. Better yet, let us know what you think is a viable solution to the problem.
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Today’s artist is Norman Lindsay.
Today’s photographer is Joe McNally. Oh, and here’s the link to the YouTube video of Joe that Rob refers to in the episode. This guy goes places that none of us three would ever dare! Well, maybe Rick.
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Also tagged Criticism, Critique, editing, Facebook, inspiration, Joe McNally, Like, Norman Lindsay, Social Media, StumbleUpon
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Stagnating as an Artist and a Photographer
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Have you found yourself in a period of stagnation? Whether it’s a short and temporary “artist’s block” or a longer-term period of not producing your art, at some point in time, all of us experience a period where we just don’t produce any art.
Listen to today’s episode where Tony & Rob are joined by Rick, Rob’s long-time photography partner and friend. We discuss the reasons behind falling into a slump, how to recognize the fact that we are stagnating, and possible ways to break out of it. This is a longer episode but easy flowing and it goes by quickly. Does being accountable to another artist help or hinder? This is a show full of questions, but short on answer – and that’s a good thing, I think.
Today’s showcased photographer is Jeff Wall and our artist is Bob Kingsmill.
Don’t forget to sign up for our Flickr group and follow us @PolarizingImage (yeah, one too many letters in our name).
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Also tagged Artist Block, Bob Kingsmill, Collaboration, Critique, inspiration, Jeff Wall, Social Media, Stagnating
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Keeping it Real – Putting it on Paper
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Our third podcast is done and ready for listening, but are you? After a rough opening by the Aussie, Rob & Tony discuss the print and topics include why having your photographs made into prints adds value, the mistake most people make in printing, a small disagreement about making proof sheets, Rob (again) goes on a rant about the industry’s trend toward providing clients with crap (oops, “images on CD”), and a look at a local (to Chicago) artist and his digital art.
Spoiler alert – Rob still hasn’t given out any foot rubs!
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Also tagged Artistry, Canon, CD, Critique, Epson, HP, Luster, Paper, Photography, Printing, Proofs, Rag, Techniques
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Our Second Episode – Are We Legit Yet?
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Number two is in the can! (See what I did there?) Today’s topics include the critique; why critiquing the technical aspects of a photo is only half the equation, why it’s good to be Edward Weston, and a rant about people who don’t understand what post-processing is all about.
Here’s the article we discuss: 10 Ways to Critique a Photo
Photos we critiqued:
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Also tagged Arnold Newman, Artistry, Chicago, Criticism, Critique, Crop, Cropping, Edward Weston, Igor Stravinsky, Naperville, Photography, Podcasting, Social Media, Steve McCurry, Techniques, Warmth
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Social Media and the Business of Photography
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A Repost of a radio interview of Rob and Rick by Conrad Hall from Social Media: Cheap and Easy. It’s a good interview but the volume is really low. Sorry about that!
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Also tagged Business, Chicago, Collaboration, Facebook, Meetup, Naperville, Photography, Podcasting, Social Media
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